No, he’s still an idiot. The best he has is that Ice-T is old? Wood cars? Okay.

That’s not the best he has, you weren’t listening or closed before he got to his point. In between the snaps, the kid had a point.

Soulja Boy aint made a single song worth a hill of beans in my opinion, but why Ice-T mad at him? He need to be mad at a whole buncha other people first.

It’s true. All these millionaires screamin hip hop is dead, have they even tried to contact young cats like Soulja Boy who are killin the art? Why not reach out to these dudes? Like it or not, Soulja Boy embodies the current state of mainstream hip hop. I may not like it, I may not buy his album but Ice T can talk face to face with probably anyone in the rap game. What has he done about it besides pass the blame?

Say what you will about his music, he does bring up some valid points.

That Law and Order line was funny… LOL…

I think Ice T needs to go after the labels and radio stations if he wants to place blame about the current state of ‘hip hop’, they’re ones pimpin what is considered mainstream hip hop…

get rich, by any means necessary?

Soulja Boy made some valid points. Made Ice look bad.

Maybe if youtube was around in the mid 90’s Pac and Biggie would still be alive.

WOW Soulja Boy said some real stuff it’s a shame that a teenager brung it to Ice T like that…verb

I’m disappointed, I live in a world where Soulja Boy can win a debate/argument with people more than twice his age. Up is down. Left is right. The sky is green. Grass is blue. I’ll stop now.

Nah. What T said is part of the game. Soulja Boy’s playing the age card was weak (I’m not talking about the snaps now, I’m talking about what he was saying at the end). Soulja Boy’s “solution” is not reality. I just got done with an interview with a young dude telling me his story about how he tried to get at Scarface to help him out with a deal. That’s how it works, the vets don’t “reach out” to rookies, it’s the other way around.

T’s criticism is harsh and a vast overstatement. However in the end it’s just his opinion, and Soulja Boy should have treated it as such and stuck with the snaps.

YES! haha i’ve been telling people for months on my radio show they’re underestimating soulja boy, and we need to be embracing him instead of hating..

don’t get me wrong i have no use for his music either, but his music is not supposed to be for my old ass.. our job as old ass people is to recognize and honor (and learn from!) all the things these kids are doing right, and letting them know they are respected.. then from a place of mutual respect we can try to offer criticism and guidance.. but instead we repeat the same mistakes our hating ass parents made about our music.. i’m not embarrassed by soulja boy, i’m embarrassed by us. [/rant]

Soulja Boy is showing his age by responding to Ice-T. Everything he’s saying is something a child would say. Yes, Ice could have handled it better, but when you’re tired of hearing crappy music on the radio, you react with anger, and that’s what Ice-T did, but Soulja Boy should have just kept his mouth shut. If he really wants to respect those who opened the door for him, then keep quiet and keep it moving.

Nikki: the difference is that at 17 Soulja Boy *IS* a child. Ice-T, on the other hand, is a grown-a**, 50+ year old man who not only made himself irrelevant in hip-hop at least a decade ago, but wants to blame Soulja Boy for the death of it.

And did it in such a childish way with “eat a dick.” That’s high school fo’ real.

Besides, we can all name at least a dozen artists who pioneered hip-hop’s decline before Soulja Boy. If anything, he’s one of the bright spots in how the genre and the industry need to evolve.

I guess I should clarify/qualify this “If anything, he’s one of the bright spots in how the genre and the industry need to evolve.” I mean in a marketing / business / promotions kind of sense. Cuz Soulja Boy’s accent makes my ears hurt.

LOL
dawg, all respect to Ice T, but u dont blame a 17 year old boy

U wanna blame someone, blame the DJs spinning his record in his city
blame the sorry state of hip hop that your generation let my generation have to suffer thru (puff, jay, russel simmons, nas, etc)
blame the dollar over anything else record execs that signed this boy to a deal and distributed his music widely
blame the music buying public for having lowered standards (thanks to the neptunes selling everyone the same beat for their lead singles for like 6 years straight for example)
thank this culture’s obsession with reality tv and voyeurism, we on some Philip K Dick/Running Man shit for real
thank all them niggas that valued business over art in the late 90s early 00s that dismantled the need and use for any hip hop of urgency or weight or any social or artistic value in the mainstream
blame shitty A&Rs
blame the press for hyping mediocre records to the point the go plat in one week in this fucked up economy/market (i see you lil wayne)
blame niggas that could have made a difference that let their ego and pride and personal ambition get in the way of them making a difference (hello qtip ali phife dangelo the roots mos kweli common)
blame the industry only looking at 3.5 American cities for hip hop acts anyway like they won’t run out of talent (new york los angeles atlanta and maybe chicago). Detroit city makes better hip hop than any city on earth, the bay is sick, houston is multifaceted north carolina is home of the goddamb justus league

Ice T crazy; soulja boy killed it? That kid just getting in where he fit in
Ice T needs to go sit down somewhere

[typed on my iPhone, excuse the poor grammuhz]

what he said.

lookin boy

Fawamajam and Jay Smooth (god I hate calling people by their hip-hop names) pretty much said it all. How is Ice T’s rant any better than the people who said that Run DMC was just a fad and that “real” music was anything but that “rapping noise”. Are we, as older hip-hop fans, basically becoming Donnie Simpson in front of our very eyes? Yes, I went with an old school BET reference.

im nearly thirty, but i feel soulja boy, not his music of course, but hes kinda right with wut hes sayin. like, whose interested in ice t nymore except nobody?

I think the older cats who have a stake in the game and still want to be apart of it are smart enough to reach out to new cats, open door and all that.

unless you just want to sit and complain, you telling me Ice T don’t know enough or got enough money to get a movement started with the kind of music he feels should be put out. But hey, he is an old ass nigga

ice-t = sonned by someone “young enough to be [his] son.”

i teach soulja boys and girls, so the game has definitely changed. i may not agree with their direction, but at least i took the time to school my students. i let them know that rockin’ chains and other misc. sh*t did NOT start with lil wayne. i made them look up big daddy kane one day. they laughed, and the girls didn’t think he was fine (like i still do), but at least they got exposed to him. my co-worker and i played some old school hip hop in class one day, and my kids said, “these songs came off of ‘grand theft auto.’ that became what teachers call a “teachable moment.”

anyway…ice-t SHOULD be ashamed of himself. a 50-yr old man telling a kid to “eat a d*ck” is beyond immature. i agree that if ice-t sees that there needs to be some changes in hip hop, then “revive it.” if your old a** ain’t got no better lines than “eat a d*ck,” then you need to fall back, go lay down, retire…

i am too old to understand soulja boy’s music, but i wouldn’t embarrass my old a** by telling him to “eat a d*ck.” i just sit back on the porch in my rocking chair with my friends, and talk about how good sh*t used to be.

Yall should see me crank dat Iceman.

yeah…Soljah Boy is on point…I have opinions on certain music that gets overplayed….but to blame the artist is kind of ridiculous in this case. Ice-T was outta line for that one straight up.As a true vet …he prolly could’ve handled it better.

“blame niggas that could have made a difference that let their ego and pride and personal ambition get in the way of them making a difference (hello qtip ali phife dangelo the roots mos kweli common)”

^^^

this is the line that got me. everyone knows q-tip is the meanest most inaccessible person ever! and for what? if these backpacking ass niggas were even remotely not stuck on the smell of their own shit maybe we’d be better off? i dont know, ice T telling a young rapper to “Eat a dick” is not helpful. soulja boy single handedly killed hip hop?

not quite, any academic would call Ice T a teleological bastard. things don’t just move from point A to point B inevitably. paths have to be paved for Soulja Boy. and who paved them? not Soulja boy himself…

There isn’t a problem with the music, its fun for the kids and you can dance to it so what is the problem. Im from the south and our music has always been fun and danceable I am 36 yrs old. music is music it does not always have to have a message. That’s my hip-hop but i never really listen to the lyrics any way give me the beat. who cares about his feelings or his city. The south is where I live. soulja do your thing. Let the thugs talk about drugs, violence and degrading women. And their will music will stay underground.

roy, that might be one of the most poorly written arguments i’ve ever read.

“blame niggas that could have made a difference that let their ego and pride and personal ambition get in the way of them making a difference (hello qtip ali phife dangelo the roots mos kweli common)”

Did you just call out these dudes as not making a difference??? WTF are u smokin’?

I’m prob readin’ it wrong…

Ice T needs to b quiet, Soulja Boy is making pop music for the masses. It’s all good. If you don’t like it change the channel.

First off, PIka Whaddup, bavu Whaddup, Whaddup peoples!!

I for one understand Ice that you can’t blame Soulja Boy for hiphop single handedly. I believe that we all know who is affecting hip-hop right now, but I believe Ice-T got to a point where he is just naming names now!

This is what I told Soulja Boy:

“Ayo Soulja Boy, you do have a point about him blaming just you and shit. And the fact that if people are saying hiphop is dead save it. But I understand where Ice-T is coming from, the type of music thats out there that you and many other new cats like you are making right now is the fuckin same!! Soulja Boy, get money no doubt but understand your history too my nigga. Matter fact no, be original man. I understand you making music for your generation, but I can’t tell you from Hurricane Chris.

Stand out from these guys in the game, thats what is killing Hip-hop, if you care. Remember Soulja Boy, if artists like Puff Daddy and Bad Boy Records, Jay-Z and Roc-A Fella Records, and many more artists who shined in the mid 90’s didn’t go platinum, and put a so called “RULE” that if you don’t sell like me, you’re not relevant, then you would not be receiving checks. Artists like Rakim, Das-Efx, Slick Rick, and many others were successful because they were individuals and didn’t follow crowds.

I’m not that old from you, I’ll be 23 this year, and I grew up on different points of view of hiphop, Back then you had PArty music, Street Music, Cultural Music, all types of hip-hop, even crossovers with Rap/Rock. What ya’ll do is just party type music, talk about how it was in your hood, or a problem that you have right now, just have more subject matter and force that issue. But then I understand, there’s people out there who want you to do this because it sells.

Ayo if you got a problem with anything I got to say, hit me back!! “

Actually the point you made FWMJ is what I was trying to say!

Im with you on everything except the Neptunes part Frankie….dont forget, those artists had to want the same beat for 6 years in a row. Im sure Chad and P had other bangers that weren’t as similar, but they weren’t chosen and they got paid for the ones that did. If Nelly gets a “Flap Your Wings” and it blows crazy, Snoop’s gonna want one too. Same for Jay and Puff and everyone else.

But i’m with you…lol

Have you guys noticed another thing? Most(not all) of the rappers that are hating on Soulja Boy have “sons” if you know what I mean. Maybe they are just jealous of his sucess and are wishing that their sons could be have the “fame” and the “spotlight”. Just a thought, peace.

didn’t we start the hip-hop is dead sh!t ’roundabouts the time “Men in Black” was showing up on top 40 stations and ma$e & Mr. Combs were bouncing around in mylar(tm) sweatsuits on mtv?

or was it before that?

(shrug)

I’m not certain how the people mentioned above reaching out to the yoof was supposed to stop Soulja Boy, YinYang (or insert act you don’t cut for that’s had a single go gold here). What are they supposed to do besides make good music?

ROY, ROY, ROY!!!
If you dont listen to lyrics, what are you doing on this site anyway? That is not a comment that you make and then say “thats my hip hop”. Beats are only a fraction of what hip hop is about. Even if you are from the south, people make more than booty shaking songs down there… thats just what YOU like. Fair enough… you have that option as a human being, but dont insult people and say HIP HOP!Listen to some house, techno, dj magic mike bass music or something. Every undergound or mainstream hip hop artist does not talk about drugs and violence but if they do as long as they do it in the true form that it was meant to be done, then thats alright in my book. But if you dont listen to the words then how do you know what they are saying anyway? A large percent of your “danceable” music degrades women more than anything else out there.

It always kills me when SOME girls out there will get highly pissed if a person she knows calls her a bitch or tells her to shake her ass, but MR. DANCEABLE SONG MAN can say “shake that ass bitch grab you titties” and she does it quickly. She says she just listens to the beat too, but she knows excatly when to drop that ass when the song says so.

Maybe I will make a song that says “GO TO SCHOOL HO” and people will do something with their lives. 2nd single “GET A JOB BITCH”… Can you say double platnium?

Ice T need to shut up and sit his ancient down somewhere! He just trying to think of some way to help sell some of his lame records. Just like Soulja Boy said, if you think he killed hip hop, try to revive it.

I think your mouth should be washed out with soap. It’s sad that when a white person call you a nigga you want to kill them. The word should be DELETED from your nasty mouth. And do you respect your mother at all, if you do you should respect young women. Grow up Child