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PSA to Independent Artists, Know Who You’re Doing Business With

By January 3, 2011January 11th, 2011Premiere, Real Life, RIK.TV

The video that set me on my rant was removed from Vimeo where it was hosted. You can watch that video here and then read the little editor’s notes/disclaimers.

Now, I know the first instinct for many of you reading and watching this would be to laugh because of a) the artist being taken for the ride in this instance and or b) the kind of music being made, but I hope you can see beyond all that if not for a moment.

There’s a lot of people that get into music with the hopes of making it a livelihood, whether independently or subscribing to the old model of signing to a record label and expecting them to miraculously do all the leg work to get them seen, heard, and made into super stars. People with or without talent alike.

I’ve been around, and in, and then back on the outside and just around again the music industry for a little over 10 years now. Whether it’s been having the fortune of working with supreme talents as friends and co-conspirators before anyone knew who they were (Little Brother, Jay Electronica, Symbolyc One, Little Brother, Oddisee, The ARE, Illmind, Danny Brown etc), to working with supreme talents that people still haven’t recognized fully just yet (H.I.S.D., DJ Cozmos, The Foundation, The Niyat, Neon Collars, Magestik Legend etc), to working at the most important Hip Hop radio station in the world, to leaving the music industry altogether. I’ve seen some of my favourite and former favourite artists put their hopes and dreams into the notion that someone, somewhere (usually in the form of a label) will recognize the gem that they are and swoop down and save them.

In 2010 2011, that’s not going to happen. There are few people in the world that operate completely altruistically, and even those that try their hardest (myself included) can only operate in such a way before self interest has to kick in (I’ve considered shutting Rappers I Know down a number of times in the last year and a half). No one is going to do anything for you simply because you are dope, or on your grind, or have built a fan base, without looking to gain something or own a piece of what you have built in return. Call them venture capitalists.

A lot of artists that I’ve met and come across seem to at one point in their maturation process think someone is going to give them a blank check to fund all their marketing hi-jinx, viral videos, travel and living expenses simply so they can be artists with little to no strings attached. Whether it’s some small time label calling in every favour they have saved up for magazine placements and afterthought e-mail marketing, or something as small time as asking me to design an album cover for them for free or peanuts (based on work I’ve done for other successful artists), or they expect to be the next act signed to Roc Nation and flown out to record in Australia.

We’re in the age where the independent artist can shine on one’s own, but you really have to be built for it and the long haul. The days of “over night” success from someone that had nothing, reverse-meteorically rising to the top are long over. Rather than waiting for someone to invest in you, you have to invest in yourself and continually to do so.

Most artists I’ve ever dealt with that have had or still have interest in being signed to any sort of label, can do just about everything that label claims they would do for them, for themselves, without having to give up 20-40% on the backend. It’s just a matter of wanting to. Don’t be lazy! Prove you believe in yourself the same way you want everyone else to and go for yours. If Def Jam can’t even promote a Redman album properly, what makes you think that Lil’ Half Dead Records is going to handle you properly. Def Jam is the biggest rap label in the world and they fuck up on the daily!

You can take The Foreign Exchange for a positive example of what DIYedness can do for you. After briefly being signed to BBE for their first album, Nicolay and Aimee took EVERYthing in house, and grinded on their own as they would have demanded anyone else to grind for Nicolay if he were signed, and that resulted in him releasing several projects through his own imprint and eventually he and Phonte and Safia (née Muhsinah) and Zo! and Aimee with a Grammy Nomination.

Or like Danny Brown said, he “rap[s] like [he] bet my life, because [he] actually did.” If this is what you want to do and nothing else, treat this like it’s your job. Everything you do 8 hours out of your day should be dedicated to putting your music, your product, out for public consumption so that you can make a living. Danny Brown resisted every deal offer thrown his way, released his record independently and ended up on just about everybody’s best of 2010 list. And his record dropped way back in March! Rather than settle for less than what he thought his output was worth, wait for someone else major to tell him he was nice, he just went for self and got the acclaim on his own.

Or you could bide your time and wait for Jay-Z and Diddy to have a short lived bidding war (I say short lived, ’cause I don’t think Diddy even know there was a bidding war), but that’s something that only happens once or thrice in a decade. #wouldnotadvisethis

What many artists trying to sell their art to live need to understand is that you’re not an artist simply because you say you are, you’re an artist when someone else that has nothing to gain from saying so says you are.

In short, stop waiting for a ravenous record label or investor to say you’re dope and co-sign you for you to feel worthwhile, know that what you are doing is worthwhile (otherwise you wouldn’t be doing it) and pursue that vision to the end. Don’t let someone sell you a dream they can’t fully bring to or at least know how to bring to fruition (that goes for me too, if I’ve sold you a dream I’m sorry).

And if you do decide to have someone else front you resources to get something done, know exactly what they expect in return, and who it is you’re dealing with. Have a real lawyer looking over your paperwork, and don’t let yourself get taken advantage of.

It’s only because I’m an artist myself that I say this to other artists of all kinds, whether it’s fine art, music, dance, writers, or stunt doubles in hollywood. No one, and I mean no one gives a damn about your art so far as they can get paid off of it somehow, or hang it up on their living room wall so to speak and get props for it.

If what you do is important to you, treat it like it is and protect it.

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Editor’s Note: I posted this video because another artist that I know did some business with this guy in the video up top and got taken for a ride as well. When he first told me about the opportunity I was suspicious, but wanted to be supportive as well. Just keep your eye out, there’s a lot of snake oil salesmen out there. Not everyone’s your friend.

Editor’s Note Part II: Having talked with one of the people accused of bamboozling and hoodwinking in this video (I also went to college with them), I wanted to make a couple of things clear. My posting this video and the subsequent rant was less about saying “A ha! Look at these evil money grubbing label people” and/or “Record labels are useless and can do nothing for you as a recording artist” as much as it was to point out that artists need to do less relying on benefactors of any kind to support their artistic output, and rely more on themselves. Whatever you’re doing artistically will be a little more honest that way. I do not personally co-sign or stand behind any of the accusations thrown around in this video as I don’t know one way or the other, but miss Hi Dolla definitely fits the bill, in my eyes, of an artist that figures doing business with a label is supposed to guarantee results. All the alleged fraudulent invoices and over charging and what not, I have no clue about. Stand on your own two, and if you need that extra support, get a cane. I initially intended to remove the video completely, but figured the context would be lost.

FWMJ

Founder of Rappers I Know and Art Director to the Stars...of the Underground. Follow him on Twitter @fwmj.

14 Comments

  • Gahbij Barz says:

    I agree 100% with you, FWMJ. Gahbij Barz does not approve such tactics. Nor does Gahbij Barz approve certain characters who engage in such practices, including some featured on RappersIknow.com. Oop.

  • numonics says:

    great article. i generally don’t comment on articles but i agree completely and base how i work on a very similar philosophy.

    thanks

  • Damien says:

    The question that keeps lingering for me – if she has $160,000 to throw away, why is she rapping to begin with?

  • Ignite Mindz says:

    I’m tired of articles like this. No offense, I am in no way knocking you for writing it, it was well said and made good points. Especially the ones where you have to be wary of the snake oil salesman. We’ve dealt with them when we were 19 and dumb. But these articles are a dime a dozen and always use an artist that was signed before and received lots of promotion from a label (foreign exchange in your case) THEN went independent and were successful. Some of these articles (but too few) at the end throw an example of someone who never has been signed and found success. But in all the articles Ive read like this since 06, I have never heard of whoever that is (in this case Danny Brown) and I keep my ear real close to the underground. The reality is that labels have connections, there are tons of really rich kids doing music and why arent they on the radio or making noise in the underground? Money doesnt buy you the exposure that a label with connections can. True once you get signed you still have a small percent chance of making it. For example i know a guy who got signed to a big label, and they put out a mixtape with a big DJ, it hasnt done too terrible much for him and its been so long the label seems to have forgotten about him. But regardless, shitloads of new people know who he is so when he does go back indy (or gets dropped), he will have way more success and is already making much more at shows. Everybody knows labels are shady, but they still have their place… unfortunately.

  • sbl59 says:

    Once again, people are talking about folks they do not know anything about! Saying if Hi Dolla had $170,000 to THROW AWAY why did she want to be a rapper- seriously??? These were business expenses and Marcus Goree invoiced her and she paid-SHE PAID-and he ripped her off. Period.

  • Damien says:

    I understand she was paying for business expenses and got ripped off. My point was – where did she get $160K from to begin with? If she got it from a successful previous business venture, why would she flip it into rap?

    And yes, the money was ultimately thrown away. Given in good faith with no return. She would have gotten just as much out of it if she threw the money in the trash.

  • Wes Allmond says:

    There are a hundreds of people like Marcus in the industry and there are even more stupid rappers like Hi Dolla Honey trying to get a deal. You can’t buy your way to good music. Her music is obviously playing in the background of this video so at least some people will hear this bullshit.

  • beatzu says:

    @ignitemindz

    Hard to believe you’ve never heard of danny brown..check out “the hybrid”….well worth it.

    Bottom Line do it for the love of doing it and good things will happen…..if not, it wasn’t meant to be.

    peace

  • emart12 says:

    probably the best blog thingy i’ve ever read. real talk

  • Kool says:

    The music business, is a business. Those who fail to see this, despite tons of information available in books and on th internet, will remain a)stupid b)broke c)ripped off or d)broke & doing it for the love, which brings me to @beatzu :”do it for the love of doing it and good things will happen”

    Not exactly, there’s a process between “doing it for the love” and “good things will happen”.

    Groups like Foreign Exchange and Little Brother quickly realized yea, “love” got them there, but before the “good things happened”, they acquired good business sense, work ethic, surrounded themselves with like minds, and armed themselves with information. Even mildly successful artists have a basic elementary understanding of how this game works.

    In my years of experience, Hi Dolla Honey would have never “popped off”, nor would she ever see a return in her 160K+ investment. Never. And to be honest “IF” (emphasis on IF) I had the “shady-4080-type-mentality” Idda’ jacked that ass too! The grills in her mouth were pretty much a neon sign blinking “rob me blind!”

    This is a business of making money, and that’s what happened. Someone with basic business sense made money off of her. HDH serves as just another casualty on the (proverbial) road, and reminder of how ruthless this business is.

  • Ignite Mindz says:

    @beatzu Ill always make music for the love of it. Lots of people talk about wanting to quit, but thats never even been an option for me, I have a deep need to make music. However trying to balance a full time job and going out and doing shows and trying to make it through the next work day on little to no sleep got me “laid off” now Im broke as shit collecting a little unemployment and trying to figure out how to make it to these shows i got booked the next few months, cause my transmission just went out and Im fucked. So I need a little bit more than love right now. But regardless if all i had were some buckets and a stick and my vocal chords, Id still be making music.

  • undergmusik says:

    @Ignite Mindz I totally agree. From 50 Cent to all these indie artists. Most were introduced to movers in the company whereas real indie artist starting from scratch have a hard time getting through these ppl. And nowadays,there’s more artist than anything else in the music industry

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